Oh, it was terrible, of course.

I mean, we kind of get our news also secondhand because, you know, my wife's family, they live in Gaza. They have cousins and uncles there, and their house also was bombed. We haven't been able to communicate with them for the past three days. Communication is lost, so we don't know actually what is the, uh, how they're doing.

But you know, we're used to that. I mean, it's very repetitive. We're used to them being bombed every time and moving from one place to the other.

You know, it's just like those Palestinians, they're very dramatic. Ah, Israel killing us, but they never die. I mean, they always come back. You know, they're very difficult to kill, very difficult people to kill. I know because I'm married to one. I tried many times, couldn't kill her.

No, it's not dark humor.

I really try to get to her every time, but she uses our kids as human shields. I can never take her out.

I will be serious.

I was watching your interview with Ben Shapiro, and I'll tell you one thing. I think that Ben Shapiro is one of the smartest people who ever walked this Earth. He's very, very smart. I follow him, and I believe everything he said.

When he came out on your show, his solution was, and I quote, his solution for this is for Israel to annex Gaza and to kill as many sons of [ __ ] as possible to make sure that this will never happen again, and anyone who calls for a ceasefire will be a terrorist sympathizer.

So, God forbid, I don't want to be labeled as a terrorist sympathizer. I agree with Ben Shapiro. I think we should kill as many sons of [ __ ] as possible.

So far, 3,500 people were killed, including 500 sons of [ __ ] in the bombing of the Baptist hospital. As we speak right now, one-third of those 3,500 were children.

So, my question to Ben Shapiro is, how many more sons of [ __ ] do we need to kill so Beno is happy because it changes from year to year.

Go back to your interview.

I agree with him.

The question is, what is a proportionate response?

Because it has been different from one year to another.

So, if you look at this graph, for example, this is the death of Israelis and Palestinians, and it's changing from one year to year. It's like fluctuating like crypto.

So, my question is, today, what is the going rate today for human lives? I mean, 2014 was a great year for Ben Shapiro. Eighty-eight Israelis died, and there were 2,329 Palestinians killed on the other side. That is one Israeli for 27 Palestinians.

That is a very good exchange rate.

What I'm saying is, what is the exchange rate for today so you guys will be happy? That's my question.

No, when I say 'you guys,' I say, like the people on the other side of that. I know that you don't think like that, Piers. You're one of the good guys.

But let me tell you something. I can't remember what happened in 2014, and there was no music festival. But there must be something. I mean, they must do something. It is their fault (Palestinians). It has to be something. I mean, in 2018, 300 Palestinians died, who's counting, you know?

So, the thing is, what my question is, let's find what the exchange rate for human life is today so we can expect the future death of Palestinians, and we'll be happy to it.

I would do exactly like Israel did.

Kill as many people as possible since the word is letting me do it.

I mean, I can do it because I can, you know. But the thing is, you know what? I agree with you, and you know what? I'm going to be even ahead of you because I see the question coming. “Do you condemn Hamas for the atrocities?” Yes, I condemn Hamas. I condemn Hamas. I condemn Hamas. Hamas is the source of all evil. They are the reason for everything. And you know what? Let's, for a minute, imagine a world without Hamas right now.

What would this world look like? Let's give this world a name, and let's name this world the West Bank.

Hamas has absolutely no control in the West Bank, and since the beginning of this through August, 37 Palestinian kids were killed; no music festival, no paragliding, no Hamas.

Since the occupation of the West Bank, 7,000 Palestinians were killed; no music festival, no paragliding, no Hamas.

I can go on and on and on.

Piers, I am at a disadvantage here. I can hear you, I cannot see you. I am in a claustrophobic room, so please cut me some slack and don't interrupt me and interrupt my points.

This has to be fair because if you want to only hear your opinion, I can just condemn Hamas and go home. I can do that. So, do you want to do that, or do you want to have a much more nuanced conversation?

Amazing, I would say I really applaud Israel for doing one thing that no military force in the word does because I heard Ben Shapiro and I heard Ron DeSantis, and they said Israel is the only military force in the world that warns civilians before bombing them.

I mean how [ __ ] cute that is. So nice of them, because with this logic if Russian troops started warning Ukrainians before bombing their houses, we're cool with Putin, right? I mean, okay, Habibi, you have warned them, go invade, it's fine, you have done your job.

I also heard Ben Shapiro talking about human shields. So you remember my wife's family, they live in Gaza, so I asked them. I told them when Israel gives you the nice warning, the cute warning, does Hamas force you to stay in your home so you can be bombed and use you as a human shield?

You know what Hassen, he is my wife's cousin, he's a loser, you know. He told me, when I asked him, does that happen, he told me no. The lying son of a [ __ ] lied to me.

I told him, you don't understand Ben Shapiro and Ron DeSantis keep saying that Israel warns you and Hamas asks you to stay put. So, I told you he's a loser. He never kept a job, he even failed in all of the interviews to become a human shield.

I would believe Ben Shapiro if we agree the 14,000 casualties, I mean who's counting, are human shields. Does that mean that every single one of those civilians was standing obscuring a military target behind them? Because that's a lot of weapons. I mean Hamas is packing..

so there is some collateral damage, lots of collateral damage.

it's fine, yeah, you kill some to save some and then kill some more, yeah, I agree.

Well, these are years of disproportionate responses.

If Israel did it solve the solution, did it solve the problem, did it work before, so it will work this time? What will be the surprise this time? What will be the twist that will make this work this time? What will be different this time, seriously?

I mean, like this is only the last 15 years. I mean because it's too many papers, I just got this. But what, how will this will be different? And the thing is, I am so glad in the introduction that you mentioned the Iraq War. I applaud you, Piers, for saying that because you were honest about it.

You said that spreading lies like weapons of mass destruction make people look at those people as less of humans and they would accept the death of a million Iraqi, whether by sanctions or by invasion, right?

You are a good man; this is amazing. And you know what is similar? It's when you spread the lies of 40 decapitated babies, although it was refuted.

So what happened happens when people hear that, you know killing babies is horrible, but when you say decapitated 40 babies, you are planting a certain image trigger in people's mind.

You have, you have repeated.

You haven't said on your show? 40 decapitated babies?

Ben Shapiro didn't say it? Ron DeSantis didn't say it? Nobody has said that?

No? Oh, okay, maybe I am wrong. Decapitated here, well, you're wrong. The same thing is happening in Iraq.

Ben Shapiro once tweeted, not even about Gaza, about the West Bank when Israel continued to build the illegal settlements, he said (in 2017) Israel likes to build things, and Arabs, not Palestine, not Hamas, Arabs like to bomb crap and live in open sewage.

The Israel defense minister, he said those are human animals, and the thing is, Ben Shapiro should know better because you know, long before the Holocaust, before Jewish people were thrown in the gas chambers, the Nazi propaganda called them rats. Now as a human being, I will never accept that another human being thrown into a gas chamber, but a rat, kill at a 10, kill at a 1000, kill at a 3,500, they are sons of [__], they are human animals who live in open sewage.

Because of that propaganda (decapitated babies), Mr. Morgan, that guy in Illinois, the 71-year-old guy, he killed, stabbing the six-year-old Palestinian kid 26 times, and he used to play with him, they used to be friends, but he went in marching into their apartment, stabbing his mother and killing him, shouting all Muslims should die.

It took you 8 years to change one word from Jewish to Muslim and then you transferred your guilt to us and took away our land. That deal sucks, man.

Well, first of all, you need to change the perception. Nikki Haley, the American presidential candidate, said we are in Israel in this because it's a fight between good and evil.

Now if you already decided someone is good, he can do no evil, and if you decided that someone is evil, it's good to kill them. Killing them is good. You see, it is not like something new.

I mean, I look at history, and I see, I'm sorry to say, and I'm sorry to say this, but westerners have always dealt like this with indigenous people. You first treated them like savages, you know, Native Americans First Nation Aboriginal: 'They're savages, kill all the savages.' And then when they're almost extinct, you start feeling sorry for them, you know, like animals.

So maybe the solution is that we kill as many Palestinians as possible, so the few of them that remain do not bother you. And maybe for another years, become a tree hugger and...

I am not the spokesman for Hamas. I [**] hate them. [**] Hamas. Are you happy?

I am not talking about you. You're great. We love you.

I don't know, but there's no Hamas in the West Bank, and they're still dying there.

So what's your excuse?

Okay, what's your explanation?

Piers, Piers, listen. I'm not saying that you're making excuses, but if you are adopting a certain point of view, you have to at least defend it.

I'm telling you there is no Hamas in the West Bank. What is the excuse, not your excuse, what is the excuse to kill those people?

No, answer my question. I've been answering your questions; you answer mine.

Okay, I'm telling you, I think Hamas is the problem.

Okay, now let's say Hamas is removed. Let's say Hamas... Yeah, I'm agreeing with everything about you want me to condemn Hamas, I will condemn Hamas, Homos, Hassan, everybody.

So let's say, for example, Hamas ceased to exist today.

Right now, in Palestine, in the West Bank and Gaza, 20% of Palestinians go through the Israeli prison system, whether imprisonment, interrogation, or torture.

The rest of them live a life of daily loss of land, homes, and life, and they are suffocated by this.

So let me ask you something:

If you are a Palestinian living in these conditions for decades, would you sympathize with your oppressor or sympathize with the people who claim they resist them, even if they are terrorists?

Nelson Mandela? Nelson Mandela actually criticized Israel for being a horrible state. All of the South African activists have actually...

I haven't met Nelson Mandela, so I wouldn't know. But there is a very important point here.

I want to understand what is the logic of Israel carpet bombing Gaza? I mean, if there's a logic, if this will make Israel safe, I want to hear the logic. So if they continue bombing, what are they hoping to achieve?

So if I can understand this correctly, basically, Israel is doing this to pressure the Palestinian community in Gaza to turn against Hamas, is that right?

So this is exactly what terrorist organizations do because terrorist organizations have no chance of beating a whole nation in battle.

So they terrorize and kill the civilians to spread fear and terror so they can turn against their government, change their policy, or resign.

You have just compared Israel with ISIS.

It's going to be the headlines tomorrow, “Piers Morgan....”

Absolutely, you know what?

I'm going to do something that nobody's done on your television. You know what I'm going to do on your episode? I'm going to pretend that I'm an Israeli citizen.

I'm going to put myself in the place of an Israeli settler in Kibbutz, and I want to speak to my Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu.

Mr. Benjamin Netanyahu, I have voted for you because you have promised us peace, prosperity, and security.

On the 7th of October, those sons of [__] from Hamas went into our defense. That is regularly heavily guarded. Usually, if there's like a dove that comes close to it, it will be shot. Those people went in, and they went for 6 hours before IDF forces were deployed, killing our friends, our families, kidnapping our grandmothers and babies, and went in.

I want to ask you, Mr. Prime Minister, after you have fractured the Israeli community and you have [__] our courts, our Supreme Courts, what are you doing with the money being given to you by the United States?

Also, you are carpet bombing Gaza with absolutely no regard for our hostages, our people.

I heard a rumor in the Kibbutz that you're doing that as an excuse to carpet bomb Gaza, so you push them into Sinai, and I didn't believe that. I like not my Prime Minister; he can never do that.

And then I watched an interview with Danny Ayalon. He was your Chief advisor; he was also the Israeli ambassador to the United States. You know what he said, Mr. Prime Minister?

He said that the solution for those Palestinians is to go into a vast land of Sinai and live in 10 cities 'temporarily,' huh, temporary wink wink until we build Gaza again and then we invite you back.

[__] We've seen this movie before.

So when I saw this, I couldn't explain to my fellows in the Kibbutz how come our Israeli government is trading human lives for another piece of land.

So as an Israeli citizen, I need to hold my Israeli government accountable, and as an American citizen, I want to know all of this money that we are giving to Israel.

We are giving them $4 billion every year.

Joe Biden said it's the best investment America ever made.

Well, if I am in the place of Joe Biden, I would go down and whisper in the ears of Netanyahu and tell him, 'I hate bad investments; they haunt me,' you know, like Littlefinger in Game of Thrones.

But the thing is, Israel always victimizes itself, and I have never seen a victim putting their oppressor under siege 24/7.

Israel wants you to believe that they are the victim.

Dealing with Israel is so difficult; it's like being in a relationship with a narcissistic psychopath. He [__] you up, and then he makes you think it's your fault.

You look at Israel as Superman, but they're really Homelander. They are like they are shooting, and they are annoyed with the splashes...

I apologize.

I apologize to the viewers. I apologize to the viewers for my language and the sight of dead civilians.

Well, of course, I am in a disadvantage, and I would like to have my space to respond.

I'm sorry; I didn't catch the gentleman's name.

Hi, Jeremy.

Please say hello to Ben Shapiro and please tell him that I do think he is the smartest person to ever walk the earth. Thank you so much.

So, in response to Jeremy, I agree with everything you said. I mean, what is disproportionate? I mean, he just used the examples from the Second World War and America, showing that civilian casualties are...

I heard his voice; he was very sad, and as he was telling us, it is so inevitable to kill so many civilians because it's something that we cannot avoid. I hear the sadness in his voice, and I know that it's a very difficult decision to kill all of these civilians because that's for a higher cause, and I understand.

But my question, I have two questions.

The question is, how can you justify the killing in the West Bank, where Hamas does not exist?

And if the disproportionate response during all of these years have actually worked, what will be new this time that did not happen before?

I just want to... that was my question, that was my question.

Can I say something on my side, a little bit personal?

Okay, bye.

I appreciate it.

By the way, my wife's family is all right, and they send us a house. It's bombed, it's beautiful. It's going to be a good Halloween theme.

By the way, I don't know him. I haven't actually met them.

They didn't even come to my wedding.

They couldn't because they are stuck in Gaza, and she never saw them because Gaza is not a destination; we hear their voices, and they die. It's fine, it's fine.

Ah, I don't thank you.